You may or not may know this, but Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates has a podcast, and earlier this month he posted an interview with OpenAI CEO Sam Altman.

I'm sharing it here because It's worth a watch (or listen); it's a well-informed discussion on the ramifications of the speed with which AI is developing. And it includes a few predictions for the future from two people who are very close to the work being done.

Most of the interview was recorded before Altman’s temporary removal from the company — but it does include some audio of Gates checking in after Altman’s return. The OpenAI CEO says, “I’m all right. It’s a very exciting time,” and the team “has never felt more productive or more optimistic or better.”

"In some sense, this was like a real moment of growing up for us. We are very motivated to become better, and sort of to become a company ready for the challenges in front of us,” Altman said. Along the way, Altman also provides a sense of the very real excitement being felt right now within OpenAI.

“It sounds so clichéd, and every company says it, but people feel the mission so deeply. Everyone wants to be in the room for the creation of artificial general intelligence.”